{"id":421,"date":"2017-11-16T17:44:59","date_gmt":"2017-11-16T22:44:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.bu.edu\/hoochie\/?p=421"},"modified":"2017-11-16T17:46:50","modified_gmt":"2017-11-16T22:46:50","slug":"louie%e2%80%8b-%e2%80%8bc-ks%e2%80%8b-%e2%80%8bfeminism-and-why-it-always-sucked","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bu.edu\/hoochie\/2017\/11\/16\/louie%e2%80%8b-%e2%80%8bc-ks%e2%80%8b-%e2%80%8bfeminism-and-why-it-always-sucked\/","title":{"rendered":"Louie\u200b \u200bC.K\u2019s\u200b \u200b\u201cFeminism\u201d and why it always sucked"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By Anna Bottrell<\/p>\n<p>Every Hollywood abuser outed has their own special punch in the gut sensation, but Louie C.K. is one that pained me with a little extra oomph. As a supposed feminist, how could I have been watching everything he\u2019s been putting out for years while somehow missing that he\u2019s a complete scumbag? Can hypocritical assholes imitate good feminists that convincingly? I\u2019ve used this as an opportunity to think about what warning signs slipped on by.<\/p>\n<p>Louie\u2019s feminism takes a familial note. I can recall Louie winning celebrity jeopardy in the name of a charity for women injured in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newser.com\/story\/225416\/louis-cks-jeopardy-win-elevates-obscure-charity.html\">childbirth<\/a>, and the time that Louie endorsed Hillary Clinton because she is a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=MFOkBnYGfIM\">mother<\/a>. His daughters are his stated motivation behind almost every positive thing he does. \u201cWomen\u201d in the more general, he sees in a semi-angelic light. In a well known bit, he compares the leap of faith a woman has in going on a date with a man as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=uqVvZDKEd3A\">insanity<\/a> . Men are lower creatures. They are closer to the animal kingdom. Louie isolates intrusive sexual urges as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_oK6zOY9KUQ\">male<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I am not going to attempt to connect Louie\u2019s picture of the world to reality, or assess its accuracy or inaccuracy. I\u2019m merely going to trust that his signature \u201craw\u201d style of standup does actually reflect the tone of his inner attitudes on gender. There have been comedy bits done by every genius and every hack on \u201cthe difference between men and women\u201d for years, but Louie\u2019s specific tone of moral dichotomy is unique and permeating throughout his career.<\/p>\n<p>The plot of his movie that barely escaped release, &#8220;I Love You, Daddy&#8221;, centers around a man (played by C.K.) who admires a Woody Allen-esque filmmaker and subsequently dismisses his reputation as an abuser and manipulator of young girls. That is, until his own daughter is the girl involved. Fathers having some sort of moral compulsion to guard a young woman\u2019s sexual behavior is a recurrent trope that goes back to images of self righteous dads intimidating potential boyfriends with shotguns. I Love You, Daddy is different from these typical cases of fatherly overreach, where the dad believing that he has a say is a much more simple case of patriarchal control of households and a moral view of looking at women\u2019s sexuality. The filmmaker is an abuser of minors, but then again, Louie\u2019s character is dismissive of abusers, and also reportedly shown miming masturbation in front of a room of people (eerily similar to CK\u2019s actual behavior with women).<\/p>\n<p>The idea that women can be tugged around by protectors and violators like little rag-dolls is fairly typical Louie C.K. material, perpetuating the image he builds where women are defined by familial connections and by a lack of the chaotic urges that lead men astray. Men\u2019s feelings and actions are the ones focused on, even if women are pivotal to the story. This treatment may make men the bad guys and show women in a positive light, sure. But, it\u2019s dehumanizing, and it\u2019s dismissive of predatory behavior in men, by including it in a universalized picture, and therefore implying that at least the motivations behind it are unavoidable.<\/p>\n<p>An illustration of this concept sticks out in my memory, from the TV show Louie. It is a scene in which Louie is rejected by his romantic interest and proceeds by attempting to rape her. She wrestles him off of her, and chides that he can\u2019t even rape correctly. The scene isn\u2019t strictly comedic, and instead veers into the drama that mixes with the humor of the show. It also wasn\u2019t very realistic, though I have no idea if it was supposed to feel real in any way. The scene very clearly came from a male perspective, where the viewer was intended to feel the swell of Louie\u2019s emotions, and the woman\u2019s lack of a reaction was secondary.<\/p>\n<p>In Louie\u2019s world, him being an abuser doesn\u2019t really make him a particularly bad guy, even though he\u2019s harmful. In his world, all men are driven by similar urges. He is one of a scummy pack, and all he can do is try to devote himself to a fatherly role, trying to save the ones he has an emotional obligation to save, from this lopsided world.<\/p>\n<p>Women who aren\u2019t his daughters aren\u2019t really rewarded the same courtesy. It may be that in order to feel an incentive towards respecting women, he feels the need to see them as more little girls under his wing. This would explain the highly criticized part of his shoddy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2017\/11\/10\/entertainment\/louis-ck-full-statement\/index.html\">apology<\/a>, where he overemphasizes how much 5 the women he abused had \u201cadmired\u201d him.<\/p>\n<p>Additionally, though Louie claims to care about \u201cwomen\u201d in terms of this wide group of inherently superior individuals, he still thinks of his needs and feelings and urges first in all exchanges with them, and assumes them to be a form of \u201cother\u201d while the flawed male is the default. One can observe this while listening to his comedy, that the male perspective is the one that we are invited to occupy as the audience. Louie is a man, so some might think it is a given. However, I think that\u2019s a bit of a lazy way out when it comes to art. And, make no mistake, Louie C.K. believes himself to be an artist. Consider the rape scene on Louie. The woman was a developed character, but when a man near her was having intense emotions, his were the ones that superseded hers. If in other cases she was granted the opportunity to be fleshed out, then this sudden laziness without a joke to balance it doesn\u2019t really seem artistically defensible.<\/p>\n<p>In the future, I hope feminism is held to a higher standard. Even if he had never shown anybody his penis, the picture he creates of a world where the current patriarchal system of oppression is a byproduct of inherent psychological urges isn\u2019t compatible with an agenda of social change, which is what any form of pragmatic feminism should include.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m concerned by the fact that I never unpacked these objections until it was too late. Maybe I was distracted by the positivity, the flattery of his portrait of women. Maybe I excused it as a joke, not seeing the underlying attitudes that Louie was espousing, and that his hordes of male fans relate to. I don\u2019t know how many of them use the same excuses to themselves that Louie did, considering their morality to be\u00a0biologically handicapped, but it\u2019s about time that we stop spouting gender pseudoscience to each other veiled and packaged in the form of jokes, or \u201cart\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Some men say that feminists are overly sensitive, and can\u2019t take a joke. I don\u2019t know what kind of laugh they expect from me half the time, maybe some sort of existentialist reaction where I laugh at the mundanity of hearing the same jokes over and over again, accompanied by the claim that men are better at thinking of jokes than women. Have I heard a man think up an original sexist joke? Maybe Louie C.K. did, and it slipped past me, and I think I laughed. Personally, I thought Louie C.K. was funny, at least most of the time, but this is a prime example of a joke not being funny anymore. When I was a little kid, I thought Bill Cosby was funny. When I was a teenager, I used to laugh along to Joss Whedon\u2019s dialogue in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I laughed at Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie, and Wag the Dog. I don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to be laughing anymore, and if you\u2019re a man reading this article who wants to tell me that I have no sense of humor, then nobody\u2019s stopping you.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Anna Bottrell Every Hollywood abuser outed has their own special punch in the gut sensation, but Louie C.K. is one that pained me with a little extra oomph. As a supposed feminist, how could I have been watching everything he\u2019s been putting out for years while somehow missing that he\u2019s a complete scumbag? 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