A Night to Remember…

When I first proposed a sports journalism seminar series some dozen years ago here at Boston University, my hope was to bring industry professional on campus who could share their insights into the jobs and experiences my students aspired toward….I hoped an offshoot would be the beginnings of a networking process that would help the transition from student to working journalist…Little did i know it would survive all this time…

I mention all of that brief history in the context of our recent seminar about women in sports…I could not have imagined what an impact a simple Q&A session could have…Lesley Visser of CBS Sports and Carolyn Thornton of The Providence Journal jumped to the top of the all time rankings… The topic of women in sports (journalism) was certainly important enough but the ladies brought a vitality and genuine interest in the students that took over the room…

The goal of the night was as much to offer all the students, not just the women, hope and information that could move them forward in their careers and their thinking…Thornton isn’t sure we’re where we should be just quite  yet when it comes to equal opportunity for women; “I’m dismayed that all not all the changes have been for the better.   And there may be more opportunities but I don’t know that the quality of the opportunities is where it should be”…Visser sees many women entering the field for the limelight and she doesn’t like it…”There are two kinds of women who do what we do.  There are women who love sports and wind up on TV or in print and then there are women who just want to be on TV and wind up in sports.  The fans can see through it.”

When planning this particular seminar, I often wonder if talking about this issue perpetuates the idea that women working in the field are different and are  on a level playing field with their male counterparts….Neither guest was ready to say this is something that’s behind us…”I have a nine year old daughter who is very vibrant.  My job as a mom is to develop all the skills that she’ll need so that when she gets her foot in the door, whatever door she decides that will be, she’ll also have the skill set to back it up so she’s not just some cute perky (female)”…Thornton’s intent certainly is to prepare her daughter, but the words apply to the guys as well…

Visser took it a step further; “Make your emphasis knowledge, because knowledge is not negotiable.  And if you don’t have the passion for it, don’t do it.   Do something you have the passion for because the job is too hard.”…Impossible to say that doesn’t apply to everyone…

We haven’t solved the problems, faced all the issues but on this one night, anyway, I think the students felt like there was someone out there who wanted to hear their opinions, wanted their input….You can teach stuff like that….Lesley Visser and Carolyn Thornton came to listen to the students and we’re the better for it…Thank you ladies…

 

Thornton

16 Comments

Edward Murphy posted on October 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm

Women in sports have come a long way. In fact today there are jobs that only feel right when a woman is doing it, such as sideline reporting. It’s weird to turn on Sportscenter now and not see at least one host be a woman. It’s almost expected today, whereas years ago it was unheard of.

I think this seminar painted a broader picture than just women in sports. It just shows if you want something badly enough and have the passion you can make it. These women were pioneers and that gives everyone that hope that if you want to succeed in this field you need to have drive.

It was inspirational if anything because they proved how they defied the odds and can do this job better than any man could. There are women in the media who I’ve always read or watched and never once thought they didn’t belong so it is a shame to think how a short time ago it was almost impossible to break through. It is a new era in sports now and these women are great examples of how to follow your dream.

Rachel Harrington posted on October 22, 2013 at 12:29 pm

As much as we want to believe that women and men are equal in the workplace, that just isn’t the case. The same is true in the world of sports broadcasting. Though we’ve come a long way from reporters like Melissa Ludtke being banned from a World Series locker room, there’s still room for improvement.

Today, the discrimination is harder to see. A woman might be called a b**** or even worse, a c*** for her articles. Rarely do we hear the male name calling equivalents for a sports piece. Just last May, Jennifer Gish, columnist for the Albany Times-Union, received over 800 emails and calls from angry Bills fans after an article. Most of the comments were “crass, offensive, and overwhelmingly sexist” and some even called for her to get plastic surgery (http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/05/24/for-women-in-sports-media-beauty-still-the-strongest-currency.html). At the same paper normally, the response rate is a few dozen emails for a hot button column like Gish’s.

And it’s not just the reporters getting attacked. After Gabby Douglas won a gold medal in the Olympics last summer, the conversation wasn’t always about her skill or talent. Instead, we had to listen to the ongoing debate about her “unfashionable” hairdo during the Games. When would that ever happen with a male athlete? Sure, Tom Brady has had his fair share of hair critiques, too, but after games, that’s not what reporters are there to ask about.

There’s even reverse sexism that women have to face. Sometimes, a woman is hired for ratings or to fill a diversity quota as a sideline reporter even when she has no background in sports journalism. That only helps to perpetuate the stereotype that women know less about sports and shouldn’t be covering the field. In hiring women, there’s often a balance between looks and qualifications, and sometimes, looks win.

Men are not always the enemy though. Lesley Visser and Carolyn Thornton both credited their male editors, bosses and coworkers for helping pave their career paths. Without them, they wouldn’t have such successful careers. It helps to have allies – male and female – especially if you’re a journalist making your way through unchartered territory.

Though women in sports was a very deserving topic in our seminar series, it should be noted that the most successful women working in the industry are doing the same things as successful men. By this, I mean that the Vissers and Thorntons working in sports are doing their research, working hard, putting in hours that aren’t usually 9-5, and climbing the job ladder by starting in small markets and working their way up. Above all, the best reporters– not just the best female journalists – are passionate about the sport. If you aren’t, as Visser said, “the fans can see through it.”

Thankfully, Kerry White reports that “the majority of women on air do prove their knowledge and understanding of sports” but unfortunately, the cases where women do a terrible job receive more publicity (womenssportsfoundation.org). For women working in sports, there is an added pressure since those individuals wind up representing all women. We’d never come to the conclusion that an Al Michaels or Cris Collinsworth represent all men, but if a female sports broadcaster made a mistake, that is often seen as a setback for all women in the industry. For that reason, it’s important to be aware of the added challenges a female journalist faces, especially if you’re one planning to go into the industry. Female reporters have made great strides – especially compared to the 1970s sexist era described in Offensive Interference (http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3788) – but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t still a minority in the field.

Jeanna Radzinski posted on October 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm

If the goal of the night was to offer all of the students, not just the women, hope and information that could move them forward in their careers and their thinking… I believe it would be safe to say that the goal was accomplished.

Carolyn Thornton and Lesley Visser were great speakers to have come in and speak with us. Personally, I appreciated the honesty about gender equality in sports journalism. There are definite gender boundaries within sports broadcast, whether it is within the dynamic of the workplace or the audience. Part of the industry that makes this topic difficult is that the market is inherently male-driven. Most people who watch and read sports are men. Although the interest in sport is increasing as of recent for females, it is undeniable that the market is primarily male-driven. That gender inequality reflects on who is delivering the sports news, as well. The difference between a woman who is truly knowledgeable and respectable is vastly apparent in comparison to the female who just wants to be on TV. As mentioned by Lesley Visser, the “on air Barbie” phenomenon has really taken off in recent years.

I really agree that the era of women in sports has changed over the period when it began. It started with credible women like Visser and moved on to people like Andrea Kremer or Christine Brennan. Now in recent years, you have people like Erin Andrews or Charissa Thompson who were featured in their FOX1 promo dancing to music and fumbling a football while wearing heels and dresses. (http://gamedayr.com/sports/video-erin-andrews-charissa-thompson-fox-sports-1-promo/) The title of this particular article is “Erin Andrews, Charissa Thompson star in not-so-great promo video” which is absolutely accurate. The promo focuses on them being “fun and beautiful” rather than them being qualified to report sports news. As this is more than likely a publicity stunt for FOX1, I would be embarrassed to take part in a promotion like this. It completely taints their credibility to be on the level of women before them, such as Kremer or Visser. For example, during game three of the 2013 ALCS, Erin Andrews was reporting for FOX1 in Detroit. Of course, being a broadcast student, I look at how she does her job from a critical perspective. She started off by calling Tigers manager Jim Leyland, Joe, a few times. Then at the end of the game, when she has the chance to interview Mike Napoli, she completely screwed up that opportunity even worse. She almost called Justin Verlander, Justin Bieber. She denies it, but just watch the video. It’s blatantly obvious. The most concerning part of this situation, isn’t necessarily that she nearly called him Justin Bieber. It’s that she has the opportunity to speak to the game-winning hitter and she asks him if the reason he was able to beat Verlander was because Napoli recently rolled up his pant leg. In a series as close and intense at this year’s ALCS, a player’s pant leg is the last thing a reporter should be concerned about. (http://nesn.com/2013/10/erin-andrews-calls-tigers-manager-joe-leyland-nearly-calls-detroit-ace-justin-bieber-videos/) I use these examples not to criticize reporters like Andrews or Thompson, but just to show the change of the role of women in sports broadcast. I respect Andrews and I think she has had significant impact on the development of women in sports. I just think this is really good example of the quality of women in sports broadcasting and the situation that was set up by Visser: the difference between quality reporters and TV stars. When you look at this phenomenon from a critical perspective, Visser and Thornton’s opinion that they discussed in the seminar are very evident.

I also agreed with Visser and Thornton when both of them were unwilling to admit that this was an issue of the past. Women have made huge climbs in sports broadcasting, but there is still a lot of room to develop. There are also a lot of current issues that complicate the level playing field between men and women. It is undeniable to say that women have to really establish themselves as qualified reporters before they are able to be looked at evenly in comparison to men. I think the best solution to this problem is what Visser suggested: “Make your emphasis knowledge, because knowledge is not negotiable. And if you don’t have the passion for it, don’t do it. Do something you have the passion for because the job is too hard.” If knowledge is your emphasis, then there will be no difference between men or women reporters or writers. If you are right, then you are credible. And if you are credible, then you are a respectable reporter. This is something that goes both ways, for men and women. This relates to a quote from Visser that I have always enjoyed: “Guys do not have a genetic blueprint that allows them to understand or love sports.” (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lesley_visser.html#SRsllCP3OQY1E5CS.99) You have to know your stuff, but if you are able to do that, then your potential in the sports broadcast field is much more secure.

All in all, Carolyn Thornton and Lesley Visser have been my favorite speakers who have attended the seminar thus far. Speaking from a female perspective, it was awesome to hear them speak. They were real, inspiring, and informational. However, I think that any of my male classmates in the class would agree. I really liked that they wanted to know our thoughts and experiences. It’s people like them who make me excited to start getting my feet wet.

Nick Zelano posted on October 22, 2013 at 4:57 pm

When I saw this seminar on my schedule for the semester, I wasn’t sure how I felt about it. I had never really thought of a world where women could not be in the sports world. I guess because I am used to the Doris Burkes, the Linda Cohns and even the Erin Andrews of the recent sports world, it is hard to see it as a whole separate part of journalism.

Women in sports (journalism) have been a part of my experience with covering games, watching Sportscenter, even reading the Providence Journal with Carolyn. I told my mom we were talking about women in sports in class and she was happy and thought it was a good idea but I still questioned why we needed to talk about it. Why does it need to be a topic, why does there need to be a difference between a man or a woman covering sports?

After listening to Carolyn and Lesley and having our conversation as a class last week, I can understand why we needed to talk about it. The conversation went from women playing sports, to women in general, to what we wanted to do, and all the way to their own experiences and stories. It showed me that even 20-25 years ago, it was a big deal. Women weren’t noticed as equals in the fields that we hope to get jobs in and it was even weird for women to be interested in it.

The conversation we had proved what I already thought about the women in sports, they know their stuff. Most of them can battle it up with the best in the profession in any way. One example is Jackie MacMullan duking it out with some of the nation’s top male journalists on ESPN’s show Around the Horn.

One thing that was really brought up to me during the class that clearly aggravated both Lesley and Carolyn was the aspect of looks over brains. They brought up the point of some of the side line “reporters” being hired for their face and to stand up and look pretty. Lesley even seemed offended by the idea that they were considered on the same professional level as her, both football reporters.

I can see where this would come in as being aggravating and sad, and why this conversation was necessary for us to have even now. Because there is a clear difference between the hard work and the dedication that a good professional needs to do from the get go. Taking on the lower level assignments, covering high school football or track, listening to the veteran reporters all is part of growing up in the job. Lesley and Carolyn clearly explained how nothing makes them angrier than when a young reporter thinks they are above certain assignments. Whether you’re a man or a woman hard work and dedication, taking pride in your work and taking on all and every assignment that is asked of you as a learning experience and doing your best, that is what being a good journalist is about.

Tim Healey posted on October 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm

There is no question that women have, historically, had a hard time in sports media, just like they have in many other areas of society. And there’s no question that Lesley Visser, a pioneer for women in the field, has had an incredible career, or that Carolyn Thornton has covered more major sporting events than I can dream of.

But in 2013, to say that women are at a distinct or explicit disadvantage is incorrect, and to have a seminar dedicated to the topic indeed perpetuates the stereotypes. I do not blame Visser for holding the points of view that she does — she got her start in a different era, obviously, and it is sometimes difficult to adjust one’s views to current times — but Thornton did an excellent job of downplaying the difference between men and women in the industry.

The best example of this was in response to the question, “What can women do to prep themselves for a career in sports journalism?” Visser stressed knowledge, competency and passion, while Thornton recommended not taking short cuts — both pieces of perfectly sound advice. But what makes that specific to females? I have received those same suggestions from numerous people, including other guests in this class, and I am not a woman. Thornton, thankfully, qualified her response with “and that goes for men to.”

Visser certainly isn’t alone. In Cornetta’s piece from 2011, “Women still trying to find a space in Boston sports media,” she writes that women this market are “still lacking representation in sports media.” Lacking by what standard? Yes, the sportswriter demographics in this city, or any city, are not split 50-50, nor should anyone expect them to be. That is not because women are treated unfairly in sports media, but — I would venture to guess, since there is not any data about this, as far as I know — rather because there are simply fewer females than males trying to break into the business. That is not to say the quality of a given female sportswriter is lesser — I know some very good ones — but the sheer quantity is. Hirings generally reflect that. A similar scenario was detailed in the “Men signing off” piece. Far fewer men are entering the broadcast world (generally, not specifically sports), and as a result a growing percentage of the workers are women. Is that wrong? No, it is simply practical.

As for the derogatory comments: It sucks. But it is part of life. Some people are ignorant, and those online-commenter types will always say outrageous things. Sportswriters (and journalists overall) should have thick skin and be able to laugh it off. Additionally, it is not as if these are problems special to women. Black sportswriters encounter similar number issues (http://chicagosidesports.com/why-arent-there-more-black-sportwriters/), and sometimes overweight ones are ridiculed for who they are on the outside (http://www.foxsportsmidwest.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Reds-Phillips-verbally-blasts-beat-repor?blockID=933881).

All that said, I am all for more women entering the sports journalism world, as long as the individuals are talented and hard-working enough to merit it. I’m a competitive person. When it comes to getting jobs, I want to beat everyone. I don’t care about my competition’s gender.

More generally, this seminar was quite useful in that we were able to hear from and speak with two journalism veterans. Thornton, for example, said she views herself as a teacher with a really big classroom — a wonderful philosophy. Visser said that halftime/sideline reporting is “a lost cause,” which I was relieved to hear her admit since she was so invested in that trend to begin with. Being able to pick the brains of members of the media like these two is always a valuable experience, no matter their sex, race, etc.

Saba Aziz posted on October 22, 2013 at 6:24 pm

When I first decided to pursue a career in sports journalism, I received a mixed response. While some were fascinated by the idea, others raised an eye brow or two. Either way, the prospect of females covering sports, even in this 21st century, seemed like an alien concept. Nonetheless that didn’t stop me from going ahead with it. And after listening to Lesley and Carolyn speak last week, my decision seems more than justified.

One would think that with the way our society has evolved and after the passing of the Title IX, sex discrimination in any field would cease to be a factor. But the sheer need to dedicate last week’s seminar to women in sports journalism is proof enough that it still remains an issue that needs our attention. Sherry Ricchiardi wrote this very revealing piece for the American Journalism Review (http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3788), taking us back to the 70’s, when blatant sexism and harassment from male athletes towards female reporters was at its peak. It was the sheer perseverance of these pioneer women such as Paola Boivin, Joan Ryan and Tracy Dodds, to name a few, in those early days, which paved the path for women in sports journalism.

The doors of the locker room were finally opened for women in 1978 and the Association for Women in Sports Media founded in 1987. Moves like these gave women the much needed uplift in the world of sports journalism. And while women have come a long way in terms of making their presence felt in this field, there is still a lot of inequality and prejudice. Despite getting acclaim as beat reporters, not enough women are tapped for top management positions or for the coveted role of sports columnist. This is an area of concern.

Women bring something new and unique to the table. They offer a fresh view, diversity and a richer mix to the overall coverage of sports. Most have the ability to work the sources better and, more importantly, they bring the human aspect into their stories. Having said that, there are issues with regard to the credibility of women, especially in today’s world of sports journalism. There is criticism over women with limited knowledge being hired for their looks, as Kerry White writes in her article for Women’ Sports Foundation Career Centre.

Nevertheless, there is no denying the obstacles women face in this field. With the pressures of running a family, looking after children and maintaining a healthy marriage, the travel-intensive beat can take its toll. Then there are the pressures to look good on T.V. All of these can add up to either discourage women from pursuing this career or force them to take a different path. But we have seen countless examples of those women who are able to juggle their responsibilities both at home and at work. They are making headway with the support of their husbands and male colleagues. Lesley and Carolyn are amongst them.

These two remarkable women have not let the issue of gender discrimination get in the way of their work. Their glittering careers are living proof of the fact that if you are professional and passionate about sports, people will respect you and there’s no stopping you in this field. And I want to thank them for that inspiration!

Lisa Erickson posted on October 22, 2013 at 6:44 pm

I had mixed feelings on this seminar before we had it. To see “women in sports” listed on the syllabus automatically suggested on some level women cannot be, in fact, just like men. It presumes that there are issues that women have that are not relevant for men. The feminist in me wants to fight against that idea, believes that those words being together somehow brings out an inequality that need not be there. When Tim wrote in his comment, “But in 2013, to say that women are at a distinct or explicit disadvantage is incorrect, and to have a seminar dedicated to the topic indeed perpetuates the stereotypes,” my first instinct was to agree (because of course, in my mind, I believe women are capable of just as much as men). However, that would be naive. While women can be just as good reporters as men (or better), there are definitely issues today that affect women more than men.

Nowhere do I think this is more the case than when it comes to the significance placed on looks. When I look at broadcast news in general, I see that most of the women on air are young and beautiful. No, not all of these women are in their 20s or even 30s, but they have a youthful appearance. There are also many good looking men, but it just seems like men can get away with being older and less attractive than their female counter parts. There are certainly many more women on air than there used to be, which progress is, but sheer numbers do not tell the whole story. I agreed with a lot of what Rachel wrote in her comment. I thought her points, especially about Gabby Douglas, were very relevant. I read far fewer articles about male athletes’ appearances than female athletes.

And while I think it is important to acknowledge discrepancies like this, one of the things I most appreciated about both of our guests, was their seeming refusal to say that their gender affected their work performance. Instead, they emphasized the types of requirements that pertain to all reporters: the necessity of working hard, doing the research and having a passion and drive to do the best you can. These are lessons we have heard from all of our guests this semester.

I think this kind of exemplifies where we are at right now in the world. Women are having more opportunities and reaching higher positions than ever, but at the same time they are still being judged in ways than men are not. Hopefully one day a seminar like this will truly seem ridiculous and be inapplicable, but for now, it is still relevant.

Raphaelle Steg posted on October 22, 2013 at 9:01 pm

As a woman, when I say that my ambition is to be a sports journalist, the reaction is always the same: “Really?”. Yes really. And I don’t plan on being on the sideline.

In a class on sports theory and social systems, we had to read an article called ‘Ritual-based Behavior that Reinforces Hegemonic Masculinity in Golf: Variations in Women Golfers’ Responses’ by McGinnis, Lee Phillip, Gentry, James W and McQuillan. They studied the behavior of women golfers towards the masculine codes of golf. They classified them into three categories. Some were accommodating of the masculine codes, tolerating them and not challenging them. The second group were unapologetic, fighting to feminize golf and against these masculine standards. The last group was unaware, not even acknowledging that there were masculine codes in golf, simply playing for their own pleasure.

I feel that women in sports journalism also have to chose their position towards masculine codes. You either accept them, and probably not have a great career because you are stuck behind men that will take advantage of your fear. I do not think fighting them straight on is the right way to go either, because you differentiate yourself even more, and you antagonize many professionals sports journalists by doing that. You obviously can’t be unaware, but you can choose to ignore that and fight to be judge on your work and not as a woman. That is why, as Lesley Visser said, your emphasis should be on knowledge and professionalism. If you show that you know what you are talking about, and that you are a hard worker, you will be taken seriously as a woman. The key to sports journalism that always come up in every seminar is preparation.

I feel that there are more openings for women in sports journalism now, but you still have to be careful of what you accept. Be recognized for your work and not for your looks.
I feel that even if we have come a long way, gender equality is far to have been reached in sports journalism, and that is why having this seminar was important. These women can be seen as role models as they build their own careers and went through every obstacle.

By being a young woman myself, I have seen the difference, even unconsciously, in how people treated me in a professional environment. During my internship in London during the Olympics, there was three women including me in a team of ten people. While inside the team I did not feel any difference of treatment as I could prove that I was professional and that I could work effectively, my position when interacting with people from the outside was ambivalent. On one hand I felt that being a woman helped me in some ways to get what I wanted, but on the other hand some people still treated me as if I was a nice assistant here to deliver messages. But by working closely with other women journalists, I have seen that they have gained their place in the sports world by showing their strength and professionalism, and therefore gaining the respect of their peers and athletes.

I did not feel offended by seeing that there was going to be a seminar exclusively on women in sports. It is still an issue today and we can’t bury our heads in the sand. As a woman, I was eager to get the point of view of women that have succeeded in sports journalism.

Nick Koop posted on October 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm

Tim makes a great point in pointing out Visser and Thornton’s responses to how female journalists can prepare themselves for their careers. There isn’t a certain way to be a male sports journalist or a female sports journalist. We are all sports journalists and we all need the same tools to be successful.

The number of knowledgeable, talented female sports writers and broadcasters leads me to believe that the gap is closing between men and women. Doris Burke provides color commentary for NBA games. Linda Cohn has hosted SportsCenter for over 20 years. And Visser, has numerous pioneering accolades herself. Of course, simply talking about it shows that the gap is not closed.

I’m not sure if that gap will ever close. As long as the sports we watch most are played predominantly by men, I fear that women will continue to be seen as unequal when it comes to the people who cover sports. Hopefully the number of people with that view dwindles with time.

We’re already seeing big changes in just the past few years. Fox hired Erin Andrews away from ESPN to help drive their college football content. NBC brought in Michelle Beadle to give the NBC Sports Network a boost (although her show was recently canceled). Rachel Nichols now has her own show. And Sage Steele will host ESPN’s NBA Countdown this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9861816/sage-steele-named-join-espn-nba-countdown

The fact that women are obtaining large roles in networks’ sports programming shows how much ground they’ve gained in the field.

Katarina Luketich posted on October 23, 2013 at 1:06 am

You said it yourself before our guests arrived at COM that when compiling seminar topics you wondered if dedicating a night to women in sports was just further perpetuating the stereotype, as some of my classmates have previously mentioned. While that might be true in some sense, I think that it proved to be an important seminar to have because like Nick said, the gap is still not closed and it is unclear if it’ll ever be fully closed.

Jeanna brought up a good example with the Erin Andrews ALCS coverage that I think is relevant in a few different ways. I think part of that example raises the issue that she just wasn’t prepared, which goes back to what Visser was saying about knowing your stuff. It’s hard to believe that if someone was fully prepared to cover such a significant event that they would call a manager by the wrong name multiple times. Once is understandable; everybody makes mistakes, but more than that emphasizes how unprepared you are. Now I’m not saying that to discredit Erin Andrews in what she does. This is just an instance where she wasn’t at her best.

Like Jeanna also brought up, Andrews almost called Justin Verlander, Justin Bieber. I consider this more of a silly slip-up that Andrews took a lot of heat for. It’s hard for me not to question whether if she was a man if the situation would stir up the same kind of controversy. My gut tells me no, which just reinforces why a seminar about women in sports is still relevant.

Going back to what we actually discussed in class, Thornton gave us a piece of advice that really stuck with me and is something that even among students I notice. She said that you are not above doing anything. Everyone starts somewhere and if you think that you are better than covering a specific story or beat, you won’t be successful. Thornton said that her favorite stories are some of her high school ones, a beat that is not ideal to most.

I think all of us can benefit from that bit of advice: nothing is beneath us. If we take a mindset in which we consider ourselves lucky to be covering anything at all, I think that’s setting us on the right track to success.

Regardless of women being the main topic of this seminar, I think we all walked out with sound advice that will prove to be helpful in whatever the future holds.

Kevin Dillon posted on October 23, 2013 at 1:47 am

Opportunities in the sports journalism field do not come easily. However, for women who want to write or broadcast about sports, those opportunities are even rarer — something that is unfortunately the truth.

One of the things that Carolyn Thornton and Lesley Visser pointed out in their class with us was that there are women who want to write and broadcast sports, and there are women who want to be on TV and end up in sports. I think this is a very interesting topic to bring up, because some of the most knowledgeable sports journalists I know are women. However, there are some female TV stars that show that they do not know enough about the games they cover while on the air and substantiate a stigma that women are not cut out for the sports media field.

It is clips like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbJzGhkn8A) that substantiate that opinion. The reporter is interviewing a fan who is watching the game in Hooters because he was “grunting and groaning” during the first period, and her questions do not display any knowledge of what actually happened in the first period. The reporter here clearly is not in her comfort zone when it comes to discussing hockey, so she should not be covering hockey.

There is also a stigma that looks are important when it comes to being a female sports reporter. When NESN Bruins reporter Naoko Funayama was let go earlier in the year in favor of young, blonde reporter Jamie Erdahl, many people were critical of the decision (http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/june/nesn-ditches-popular-bruins-sideline-reporter-naoko-funa.html). Funayama was well respected among her peers, and was very popular among the Bruins locker room and fan base. This isn’t to say that Erdahl is not a good reporter herself — she has done well since stepping into Funayama’s old role. However, the idea that NESN did not renew the contract of a good reporter so it could replace her with a younger, blonder reporter raised some eyebrows. Erdahl is not one of those reporters who knows nothing about the sport she is covering, but it goes to show that for women in this business, looks can be an advantage — which is unfair at times.

Tim is right on point by saying that Visser’s and Thornton’s advice was advice for everyone though. In today’s age, there should be no difference in the way one approaches work produced by a woman or a man. As long as the facts are right and the reporter works hard at his or her craft, the product will turn out nicely. Whether it is in TV, in print or online, there should be no shortcuts to becoming a good journalist —male or female.

Meredith Perri posted on October 23, 2013 at 9:05 am

I want Tim to be correct when he says that in 2013 women are not “at a distinct or explicit disadvantage,” but I know that his statement is false and, unfortunately, naïve.

Tim might have a different opinion if he had ever been told (on deadline) that he couldn’t go into a clubhouse to do interviews specifically because of his gender or if he had ever had an online commenter say that the only reason he had a job was because he had slept with his married boss. Both of these things, and more, have happened to me in the past 18 months.

(And say all you want for ignoring online commenters, but when you work for an online platform that requires you to interact with those very people, you lose credibility every time someone decides your gender is the reason why your opinion is inherently wrong).

My guess is that when the majority of the men in our class decided on sports, the main concern that they faced from outside sources was the long hours or the amount of money they would make. But were they questioned about how they would deal with athletes sexually harassing them? Because I know quite a few women studying sports journalism who had to answer that question before they could start to study the trade. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why you don’t see more women entering the field.

Lesley Visser remarked that women needed to be knowledgeable, competent and have a passion for what they’re doing. Now this is clearly something that every sports journalist needs to have, but the reason why it was specifically directed at women in the class is because, as Visser also mentioned in the seminar, a chunk of the women in our field are there to get on camera and not because they know what they’re talking about. Women have to separate themselves from their female peers because, in the end, women are still lumped together in this industry.

One day after the seminar, the Association for Women in Sports Media at Boston University hosted a discussion with minor league baseball writer Jessica Quiroli. If you listened to her speak for just a few minutes you would know that a good amount of her career has involved ignoring the comments made by athletes and even her male colleagues about where she should actually be instead of in the clubhouse.

Women in sports have made great strides, and I think the point of this seminar was to show that this is the case. This also might be the reason why neither Visser nor Carolyn Thornton explicitly stated some of the problems they have dealt with in the past. Just because there are improvements, however, doesn’t mean that women aren’t at a disadvantage.

Natalie posted on October 23, 2013 at 10:50 am

This seminar was incredibly encouraging.

Women in sports is still obviously a topic worth discussing for some of the very reasons that Visser brought up: are you (the woman) up there because you look good or because you know and care about what you are reporting. Honestly, I experience this a lot in the behind-the-scenes photog world of sports journalism. There are not a lot of female videographers sitting around the parquet or videoing in the post-game. There is also an interesting dynamic when you are the only girl working with a group of men. It DOES make a difference how you dress and how you carry yourself. However, on the flip side, as everyone gets used to the dynamic, I find that the group as a whole gets more original ideas flowing.

Now to get back to the seminar, little did I know that I would be walking into a room to be confronted by two wholly vivacious women who clearly love what they do and they make that love contagious.

Thornton and Visser both emphasized the importance of knowing what you are talking about as a journalist. DO THE RESEARCH.

But the most important thing they emphasized was BEING YOURSELF. I’ve appreciated how throughout this entire seminar course, the speakers that have come in have all touched on the importance of bringing your unique personality into your work. Hard work and a genuine personality will be your friends in the workplace. You are not above anything. Visser really emphasized this. Do what you are asked to do, and do it whole-heartedly and well. You never know who is watching you or when an opportunity might present itself and give you your big break.

This seminar stood out especially because the roles were flipped for a moment as Visser and Thornton asked to hear from the students about their dream jobs, concerns, and thoughts on the state of sports journalism. It was encouraging to hear my peers dreams and then be encouraged by the speakers themselves.

A big take from this seminar was that hard work pays off. There are no short cuts…do the work and work the beat, and be yourself all the while.

Adam Jakubiak posted on October 23, 2013 at 11:14 am

When I first looked at the topics we were going to discuss in this class, I think this one stood out to me the most in terms of digging deep into the world of sports journalism and the problems it faces in regards to diversity and gender equality. I had seen Lesley on television many times and I was very much looking forward to hearing what she had to say.

Women in sports journalism have certainly come a long way. We are seeing more and more of them on camera and reporting from the locker room. When I turn on any type of ESPN or FOX programming, I am accustomed to seeing a female as one of the lead anchors, and they perform just as well, if not better, than their male counterparts in what can be considered a male-dominated industry. One thing that Lesley mentioned was that there are two types of women in sports who want to do sports journalism: those who love sports and those who just want to be on television. This got me thinking about the personalities we see on television and I would say this is a pretty fair assessment. You have people such as Andrea Kramer, Doris Burke, Pam Ward and Visser who, in my opinion, do a fantastic job of reporting the news, ask strong questions, and give great opinions. Then there are people such as Erin Andrews and Michele Beadle who can be good at reporting, but also have the model persona that can be distracting from the overall news reporting.

Despite all of these, a lot of women are getting their own television shows on various networks, which is nice to see. There may always be a gap between men and women in sports journalism, and I’m not sure if it will ever be fully bridged together. But great strides are being made. I also appreciated how our speakers didn’t comment a whole lot on the issues they faced as they were building up their career and reputation. It goes for both men and women to work hard and focus on knowledge, and the success will come.

Andrew French posted on October 23, 2013 at 11:37 am

Frank brings up a great point and it’s probably the one thing that really stuck with me during this seminar: it’s great to talk about women in sports but talking about it, in my opinion, absolutely perpetuates the idea of women being different and not being on the same playing field as the men.

There were plenty of good things to take away from the seminar, but just having it suggests the field isn’t fair to women. Well maybe it isn’t. But Nick brings up two great examples of women finally turning the corner and away from just the token sideline eye candy. Rachel Nichols has her own show now and Sage Steele will be hosting NBA Countdown this year. If that isn’t progress for women I don’t know what is.

Instead of focusing on the negatives in the field for women (like that people only think they are good at sideline reporting), let’s focus on what these two women in the seminar taught us and why it’s important.

Lesley Visser gave us so many good quotes but here are a select few:

“it is what it is.”
“Sometimes you have to cross when it says don’t walk.”
“Don’t take the elevator, take the stairs.”
“Sideline halftime reporting is like making Picasso out of a match stick.”
“Some women are too into their looks and not about recognizing a cover two.”

The first two quotes are directed at the women. You’re a woman, who cares? It is what it is. Deal with it. The field might put certain limitations on what women can do in it, but as she says, sometimes you just have to try and push the boundaries and do it anyway.

The third quote is directed at everyone. It means don’t take shortcuts. The journey is a very important part of getting better as journalists. So don’t look for the easy way out. Do something you have a passion for, get the necessary knowledge you need, and let that passion outweigh the hurdles.

The last two quotes deal with what she feels is the field’s poor overall image of how women should be used in the media. Sideline reporting, at times, is a complete joke. And they throw women into that role because perhaps they don’t feel they can handle other ones (like analyst or color commentator). They doll them up to make them appealing for all the men watching and the young women growing up today are getting the wrong message. They are becoming overly preoccupied with their looks and aren’t focusing on improving their knowledge about the game they are “covering” on the sideline. It’s not enough to be a great athlete or a great reporter. You also need to look good. Visser encouraged everyone in the room to remember that knowledge is power, whether you are male or female. If you have the knowledge, they can’t ignore your talent forever.

Both women weren’t sure if athletes take them as seriously as male reporters. Some might trust them more because they are women and actually divulge a little more to them because they feel more comfortable, and some probably feel like they aren’t as good as the men and don’t give them the time of day. But no matter what the case is, Carolyn Thornton reminded all the women in the room that you worry about your job, not about being a woman. Best advice you can really ask for I think.

In the grand scheme of things, even though this seminar was perhaps more helpful for the women, both of the guests shed some advice that applied to everyone and our up-and-coming journalism careers we are about to embark on. “Nothing is beneath you,” they said. Do everything you can to do as many things as possible. That’s how you get recognized. Male or female, that’s what we all have to do to make it in this field.

Andy posted on October 23, 2013 at 1:07 pm

The energy that these two women brought to the seminar last Thursday night was unlike anything we have seen so far this semester. Perhaps that is due to the subject matter, the discussion of “Women in Sports”, or maybe it is just their personalities, either way the two hours that we got to spend with Lesley Visser and Carolyn Thornton were valuable and exciting.

As a man sitting in the room listening to these two women tell stories of the their early days, especially Visser, it made me very thankful that I am coming into the business in a time where we are so much more accepting of females in sports. Clearly the landscape isn’t completely even, in Visser’s opinion we may even be taking a small step backwards with all of the “beauty queen” sports anchors that we are seeing, but there is no question that sports media values the input and talent of women more in 2013 than in previous decades. The fact is that women and men are both consumers of sports. Both genders enjoy sitting down on a Sunday and watching a football game, or taking a trip to Fenway to see the Red Sox. So there is no reason that both men and women shouldn’t have the same ability and access to the jobs that help bring sports to the consumer.

One unifying theme that we have heard from all of our seminar guests has been preparation, or knowledge. The idea that if you flat out know your stuff, from soup to nuts, you will be able to succeed applies to the topic of “Women in Sports” perfectly. While we are further along today that in the past, there are still a large number of fans and athletes that will assume that a woman doesn’t know as much about sports as they do. Always being prepared and knowing as much as you can is the only way to prove these people wrong. They are looking for weakness. They want you to slip up, and vindicate the negative feeling that they have towards you. You can’t let them. This is advice that holds true for men as well, especially in 2013 where every fan has access to the same information that we have. You have to be nearly an expert on whatever it is that you are talking about, because the fans think they are experts.

I appreciated so much of the advice that Visser and Thornton offered to us last week, but for me as a male planning to go into sports media, the lesson I took most to heart was what women expect from us. And that is to be treated just like we would treat our male colleagues. They are journalists, just like we are journalists, and both Visser and Thornton made it very clear that they don’t want to be treated any differently just because they are women. If we are ever going to get to a point where a seminar on “Women in Sports” isn’t necessary, this is what needs to happen. We are getting closer, and I’d like to think that with the influence of successful women like Lesley Visser and Carolyn Thornton, it won’t be long until this seminar topic is not needed.

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